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Vitorio Furusho - LibreOffice
2014-01-03 21:57:48 UTC
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Urmas
2014-01-04 15:45:57 UTC
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Start 2014 with Freedom, Adopt LibreOffice in your life!
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
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Terrence Enger
2014-01-04 16:21:43 UTC
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Start 2014 with Freedom, Adopt LibreOffice in your life!
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
I do see freedom here, even if I do not quite see the negative things
that you name. I do not remember anything that I would call a
powertrip. In every interaction I have had with a developer, the
developer has been polite and helpful. The fact that decisions are
made by those who know what they are doing strikes me as a *good* thing.

Terry.
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Luuk
2014-01-05 13:55:14 UTC
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Start 2014 with Freedom, Adopt LibreOffice in your life!
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
I do see freedom here, even if I do not quite see the negative things
that you name. I do not remember anything that I would call a
powertrip. In every interaction I have had with a developer, the
developer has been polite and helpful. The fact that decisions are
made by those who know what they are doing strikes me as a *good* thing.
Ok, developers may be polite and helpful,

But, is LibreOffice really that good?
or are they just trying to keep up with Microsoft Office?

In my opinion they have not done anything new, better, more elegant,
than rebuilding things that already exist, and even doing so was not
always a success.
(seeing the more than 59000 bugs here:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59030&list_id=321771 )
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Italo Vignoli
2014-01-05 14:02:49 UTC
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Post by Urmas
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
In my opinion they have not done anything new, better, more elegant,
than rebuilding things that already exist, and even doing so was not
always a success.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59030&list_id=321771 )
I do not see how you both contribute to the discussion here. If you are
so unhappy with TDF and LibreOffice, the easiest solution is to find a
house somewhere else.
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Luuk
2014-01-05 14:11:57 UTC
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Post by Urmas
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
In my opinion they have not done anything new, better, more elegant,
than rebuilding things that already exist, and even doing so was not
always a success.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59030&list_id=321771 )
I do not see how you both contribute to the discussion here. If you are
so unhappy with TDF and LibreOffice, the easiest solution is to find a
house somewhere else.
just because it's more than just 'Freedom' and 'Adopt' that need to be
done......
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t***@weberpafrica.com
2014-01-05 15:24:25 UTC
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Hi Luuk,

You state that there are more than 59000 bugs in the bugzilla, but you
do not state how many open bugs there are on Microsoft office. The
reason is that neither of us know how many there are as MS office is
not developed in the open as LibreOffice is.

This is not just an insignificant detail, but is fundamental. Free
software is about so much more than just a cheap alternative to a
proprietary solution. It is about everybody working collaboratively
together to make a better solution. It should never be about just a
few giving and the rest taking. We can all help in our individual ways
to make LibreOffice better, whatever our skill sets. You cannot do
this with MS office. I am not knocking MS office, I have never used it
so cannot comment, but I do use LibreOffice and it works for me.

I have to say that LibreOffice seems to me like one of the friendliest
Free software communities I have come across so I know that they can
find a way for any interested person to contribute.

Thanks
Tim
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Post by Urmas
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
In my opinion they have not done anything new, better, more elegant,
than rebuilding things that already exist, and even doing so was not
always a success.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59030&list_id=321771 )
I do not see how you both contribute to the discussion here. If you are
so unhappy with TDF and LibreOffice, the easiest solution is to find a
house somewhere else.
just because it's more than just 'Freedom' and 'Adopt' that need to be
done......
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Tom Davies
2014-01-05 15:08:32 UTC
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Hi :)
Don't worry! We have known and intermittent Trolls here. I think
pretty much everyone else knows the score and just follows the mantra
"don't feed the Trolls"!

I think almost everyone can see how hollow and brittle their arguments
are = so we mostly just sit back and laugh at them. On the plus side
it's good to have these sorts of comments here so that if they occur
out in the real world then we have had time to think of better
replies. Some of the FUD out there is so completely opposite to
reality that it's sometimes difficult to know where to begin when
people bring it up in discussions.

The "absolute dependence" is a classic example. The code for any Open
Source project can be read and altered by anyone. Some of us would be
wise to employ or pay someone else to do such alterations, especially
if we wanted to try to get those alterations into the main branch of
the official versions of the program = otherwise our alterations would
never get through Quality Control. Most of us would need to follow
"How To" guides to build our results into an executable program.
However it is possible for almost anyone to do this. It is clearly
NOT possible to do this sort of thing with proprietary programs. So,
the statement "absolute dependence on dev's power-trips" is blatantly
FUD and is completely the opposite of reality.

This sort of thing is so obvious that we don't even need to say it
especially since it is likely to provoke yet another argument on the
mailing list and achieve the main goal of the Trolls, which is to make
the mailing list look unfriendly. So, it's better to just sit back
and laugh at them. Oddly it is often those people who do give some of
the really great answers in here although many of the very best
answerers never seem to "blow off steam" in this way.

Regards from
Tom :)
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Post by Urmas
Do you call the absolute dependence on developers' powertrips and their
uncontestable decisions 'freedom'? I have bad news for you then.
In my opinion they have not done anything new, better, more elegant,
than rebuilding things that already exist, and even doing so was not
always a success.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59030&list_id=321771 )
I do not see how you both contribute to the discussion here. If you are
so unhappy with TDF and LibreOffice, the easiest solution is to find a
house somewhere else.
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